I'd just post around him and let him get deleted until he gets bored of being ignored.
Category: General Phalloplasty Discussion
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I say no one respond to anything the troll writes - let him sit at a table of one.
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Sleeping in first 72 hours after Pmma – big danger of fucking it all up?
Hi there!
Why do irregularities happen?
I guess one thing is the doctor don’t spreading the pmma perfectly at the procedure?
And what could be another reason?
I guess when you are awake there is not a big problem - of course don't wear tight trousers or something like that.
I guess the only other danger is sleep, isn’t it?
It’s like 8 hours where you turn around in sleep and have the penis in weird positions and lie on it or something.
Also erections in the middle of the night in weird angles also probably dangerous.
Do you think that is the case?
So what to do?
- Wake up every hour to check on penis, look if anything got wrong and try to massage-correct it?
- Sleep in a hammock where you make a whole in it to let your penis fall through
- Somehow fix a bucket on top of your crotch area, so you cannot turn on your tummy while you sleep
- Is there also pmma on the underside of the penis? An all-day-stretcher towards tummy should hold penis pretty steady upwards and not get in any weird position? (I guess you shall be used to wearing an all day stretcher in the night problemfree already)
[- Train yourself to sleep on the back months before you do pmma? I am a tummy sleeper since the last 25 years I guess.. and a bad sleeper in general.. this will be a hard week
What did you do?
Also:
When I hold my penis elongated just very slightly upwards towards tummy (with penis extender thingi that allows that) in the first 72 hours – would the collagen and stuff form more ‘towards’ this shape, basically encouraging the upwards shape?
I would like to encourage the upward shape, to encourage a bit easier erections.
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my pmma journal: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/planning-pmma-procedure-journal-dr-ivana-nemeckova-prague-8368135?pid=1294853107#post1294853107)
‘perfect PMMA aftercare’ thread: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-perfect-pmma-aftercare-8382459?pid=1294531331#post1294531331
Why do irregularities happen?
I guess one thing is the doctor don’t spreading the pmma perfectly at the procedure?
And what could be another reason?
I guess when you are awake there is not a big problem - of course don't wear tight trousers or something like that.
I guess the only other danger is sleep, isn’t it?
It’s like 8 hours where you turn around in sleep and have the penis in weird positions and lie on it or something.
Also erections in the middle of the night in weird angles also probably dangerous.
Do you think that is the case?
So what to do?
- Wake up every hour to check on penis, look if anything got wrong and try to massage-correct it?
- Sleep in a hammock where you make a whole in it to let your penis fall through
- Somehow fix a bucket on top of your crotch area, so you cannot turn on your tummy while you sleep
- Is there also pmma on the underside of the penis? An all-day-stretcher towards tummy should hold penis pretty steady upwards and not get in any weird position? (I guess you shall be used to wearing an all day stretcher in the night problemfree already)
[- Train yourself to sleep on the back months before you do pmma? I am a tummy sleeper since the last 25 years I guess.. and a bad sleeper in general.. this will be a hard week
What did you do?
Also:
When I hold my penis elongated just very slightly upwards towards tummy (with penis extender thingi that allows that) in the first 72 hours – would the collagen and stuff form more ‘towards’ this shape, basically encouraging the upwards shape?
I would like to encourage the upward shape, to encourage a bit easier erections.
ps
my pmma journal: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/planning-pmma-procedure-journal-dr-ivana-nemeckova-prague-8368135?pid=1294853107#post1294853107)
‘perfect PMMA aftercare’ thread: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-perfect-pmma-aftercare-8382459?pid=1294531331#post1294531331
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The Big PMMA Summary of Results Thread
Idea:
Summarize the countless progress reports in a specific easy-to skim format and post them here as a collection
Feel free to read progress reports and summarize them here in the given format in the same order and formatting for super-easy reading.
Feel free to suggest different / additional fields – ok, actually perhaps this should ideally happen in another thread -> just PM me if you have suggestions for now ok
It would be nice to leave the thread clutterfree -> anything that is not summarized results, send me a PM instead. Also if you have a question towards another post / member – send him a PM.
Also there are other threads that are better for talking about pmma in general.
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name
Gone from x to y
Aesthetics, nodules, problems..:
Personal satisfaction, life change, would you do it again:
(in bold either of of those: no issues, minor issues, significant issues, serious bad issues)
Name of doctor at year
round 1 from x to y
round 2…
url of journal:
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ps
I only wanted to post this when i had a few summaries myself. Anyway, ‘ll’ wrote about that a thread like this would be great and talked about willingness to start, so I’ll just post this initial post here right now
So, worst case this thread fails, best case it becomes a long-lasting good thread, well
Summarize the countless progress reports in a specific easy-to skim format and post them here as a collection
Feel free to read progress reports and summarize them here in the given format in the same order and formatting for super-easy reading.
Feel free to suggest different / additional fields – ok, actually perhaps this should ideally happen in another thread -> just PM me if you have suggestions for now ok
It would be nice to leave the thread clutterfree -> anything that is not summarized results, send me a PM instead. Also if you have a question towards another post / member – send him a PM.
Also there are other threads that are better for talking about pmma in general.
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name
Gone from x to y
Aesthetics, nodules, problems..:
Personal satisfaction, life change, would you do it again:
(in bold either of of those: no issues, minor issues, significant issues, serious bad issues)
Name of doctor at year
round 1 from x to y
round 2…
url of journal:
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ps
I only wanted to post this when i had a few summaries myself. Anyway, ‘ll’ wrote about that a thread like this would be great and talked about willingness to start, so I’ll just post this initial post here right now
So, worst case this thread fails, best case it becomes a long-lasting good thread, well
Category: General Phalloplasty Discussion
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2 weeks post op with Dr. Heller. Lumpy and depressed.
Phew boy. I've been lurking this site for about two years, always wanted to be bigger but never sure of what course to take. I've tried stretchers and jelqing, but I'm just too busy juggling everything to keep up with something for more than a month tops. I finally made the decision to have a PMMA procedure, and since I don't have the time to take a vacation to Mexico, I went with Dr. Heller. His Manhattan office is very close to where I work. It's been 2 weeks to the day, and I'm worried and upset with the results.
Starting in, I am 6.5 bpel, 5.25 eg midshaft. I want my girth at 6.
Dr. Heller was very nice, almost nonchalant about the procedure. He stated that he can inject 5cc of Bellafill for $3500. Explained that it isn't a perfect procedure (very hard to get perfect symmetry, etc.) But there will be permanent gains, and that most irregularities will smooth out after about 2 months post-op.
To start, Dr. Heller did not mix the syringes in front of me. Not sure if that's an issue, but there it is. He uses needles, not a cannula, so there was some definite bruising and soreness for about a week. The local anesthesia worked, and other than a pinch now and then, and the odd feeling of having stuff injected into your pecker, was painless. After wards, my penis looked very swollen, but good.
I asked him what I need to do now. He didn't wrap it, didn't suggest a stretcher, or anything. A direct quote about wrapping "I don't believe in all that." His advice was to gently massage out any lumps that begin to form and not "use it for a week."
So after a drive home, I laid in bed and let it drape between my legs and spent the next day like that as well. Then I went about my business as usual.
At about 5 days, I noticed a lump on my right side at the circ line, like someone had implanted a piece of macaroni under my skin. I massaged it as best I could, but it didn't go away. Plus I was still swollen and sore from the procedure. At one week I had sex with my girlfriend. She really enjoyed the increase in girth, so that's a plus. Image may be NSFW.
Clik here to view.![]( "Smile - :)")
Now at 2 weeks, most of the swelling has gone down, and I am very upset with what I am seeing. Flaccid it looks fine, but erect there are alot of lumps. The lump on my right C scar is bigger, and a lump has formed below it, making a valley between them. A lump on the center top has formed, as well as one one the lower left side. There are slight dips all over my penis, and the PMMA seems to only be on the upper 3/4ths of the shaft. and It looks more like a knurled club than a penis (to me, anyway.) I attached some photos.
I went back to Dr. Heller today (tried to go earlier, but both he and I are busy) and when he looked at it he told me not to worry with a smile. He said that in a month or so most of the lumpiness will smooth out, and that I should gently massage and lumps I do have. I showed him the photos of my erection and he still said the same thing.
So am I being paranoid? Is there anything I should do? I followed the Dr.'s advice and this is my result. Should I continue to follow it and just massage gently and chill the hell out? My Girlfriend doesn't really want to have sex with me at this point, she's freaked out at the lumps. Image may be NSFW.
Clik here to view.![]( "Frown - :(")
Starting in, I am 6.5 bpel, 5.25 eg midshaft. I want my girth at 6.
Dr. Heller was very nice, almost nonchalant about the procedure. He stated that he can inject 5cc of Bellafill for $3500. Explained that it isn't a perfect procedure (very hard to get perfect symmetry, etc.) But there will be permanent gains, and that most irregularities will smooth out after about 2 months post-op.
To start, Dr. Heller did not mix the syringes in front of me. Not sure if that's an issue, but there it is. He uses needles, not a cannula, so there was some definite bruising and soreness for about a week. The local anesthesia worked, and other than a pinch now and then, and the odd feeling of having stuff injected into your pecker, was painless. After wards, my penis looked very swollen, but good.
I asked him what I need to do now. He didn't wrap it, didn't suggest a stretcher, or anything. A direct quote about wrapping "I don't believe in all that." His advice was to gently massage out any lumps that begin to form and not "use it for a week."
So after a drive home, I laid in bed and let it drape between my legs and spent the next day like that as well. Then I went about my business as usual.
At about 5 days, I noticed a lump on my right side at the circ line, like someone had implanted a piece of macaroni under my skin. I massaged it as best I could, but it didn't go away. Plus I was still swollen and sore from the procedure. At one week I had sex with my girlfriend. She really enjoyed the increase in girth, so that's a plus. Image may be NSFW.
Clik here to view.
Now at 2 weeks, most of the swelling has gone down, and I am very upset with what I am seeing. Flaccid it looks fine, but erect there are alot of lumps. The lump on my right C scar is bigger, and a lump has formed below it, making a valley between them. A lump on the center top has formed, as well as one one the lower left side. There are slight dips all over my penis, and the PMMA seems to only be on the upper 3/4ths of the shaft. and It looks more like a knurled club than a penis (to me, anyway.) I attached some photos.
I went back to Dr. Heller today (tried to go earlier, but both he and I are busy) and when he looked at it he told me not to worry with a smile. He said that in a month or so most of the lumpiness will smooth out, and that I should gently massage and lumps I do have. I showed him the photos of my erection and he still said the same thing.
So am I being paranoid? Is there anything I should do? I followed the Dr.'s advice and this is my result. Should I continue to follow it and just massage gently and chill the hell out? My Girlfriend doesn't really want to have sex with me at this point, she's freaked out at the lumps. Image may be NSFW.
Clik here to view.
Category: General Phalloplasty Discussion
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Why is PMMA not FDA-approved? And is it illegal in USA?
Why is PMMA Metacrill or Linnea Safe is not FDA-approved in the USA? How would someone get it to be approved? And also, is it illegal for a physician to use PMMA Linnea Safe or Metacrill for girth enhancement in the USA (considering that it's not FDA-approved)?
Category: General Phalloplasty Discussion
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Rolling as Aftercare for PMMA? + Which Roller?
Hi there!
People write great things about doing Aftercare of Pmma with a Roller:
Miracle8x7 on 07/19/13
https://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/miracle8x7s-pmma-progress-report-5391236?&trail=820
Smartman on 07/20/13 same thread, about Korean technique
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Questions
So, in the 72 hours after the procedure,
while there is lot of swelling,
you 'sometimes' use the roller?
Roller usage: (?)
Putting penis on table,
stretching penis by pulling on the head,
roll softly from base to head.
Also back from head to base?
And you do left side of penis, and top side, and right side?
Should it be done in the ~2 hours after procedure where there is no swelling yet?
Is this perhaps a good roller?
(It's a litter roller that is for removing hairs from furniture and suits)
(the measurement thingi is in cm, not in inches)
Image may be NSFW.
Clik here to view.![]()
Did you use a roller?
Would you?
People write great things about doing Aftercare of Pmma with a Roller:
Miracle8x7 on 07/19/13
https://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/miracle8x7s-pmma-progress-report-5391236?&trail=820
Quote:
“I used a stainless steel bar 1/2" diameter, covered it in the antiseptic gel and rolled (like dough) the top part of my shaft
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after scouring the web for the ideal roller (in my estimation 3" wide by 1/4" - 3/8" diameter) I came up empty handed. I've viewed probably 400+ carpet seam rollers but none that are perfectly suited for the task at hand. I've recruited Smartman to help locate such a roller.
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Guess what? The top part of my shaft is as smooth as a baby's butt. No bumps, lumps, hard areas... it is PERFECT.
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I personally believe that placing the penis on a flat surgical tray and stretching it out by pulling on the glans and rolling with even pressure along the length of the shaft will yield near perfect results; homogenizing the filler. I am still in awe of just how smooth the portion I rolled is. “
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after scouring the web for the ideal roller (in my estimation 3" wide by 1/4" - 3/8" diameter) I came up empty handed. I've viewed probably 400+ carpet seam rollers but none that are perfectly suited for the task at hand. I've recruited Smartman to help locate such a roller.
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Guess what? The top part of my shaft is as smooth as a baby's butt. No bumps, lumps, hard areas... it is PERFECT.
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I personally believe that placing the penis on a flat surgical tray and stretching it out by pulling on the glans and rolling with even pressure along the length of the shaft will yield near perfect results; homogenizing the filler. I am still in awe of just how smooth the portion I rolled is. “
Smartman on 07/20/13 same thread, about Korean technique
Quote:
“So they have changed their technique (directly post-injection) by using a roller (which will provide equal forces over the shaft but in the other hand hand manipulation or massaging will provide unequal forces over the shaft) with a light force to homogenize the product ; and in their article if you see the pictures (dorsal and lateral views - before and after 18 months) they had smooth and v. good esthetic results after 18 months.
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Btw these korean use a compressive dressing with an elastic bandage directly after the usage of a roller.“
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Btw these korean use a compressive dressing with an elastic bandage directly after the usage of a roller.“
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Questions
So, in the 72 hours after the procedure,
while there is lot of swelling,
you 'sometimes' use the roller?
Roller usage: (?)
Putting penis on table,
stretching penis by pulling on the head,
roll softly from base to head.
Also back from head to base?
And you do left side of penis, and top side, and right side?
Should it be done in the ~2 hours after procedure where there is no swelling yet?
Is this perhaps a good roller?
(It's a litter roller that is for removing hairs from furniture and suits)
(the measurement thingi is in cm, not in inches)
Image may be NSFW.
Clik here to view.
Did you use a roller?
Would you?
Category: General Phalloplasty Discussion
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Erections in PMMA Aftercare - watch Porn?
Are erections good in pmma aftercare? People seem to say it.
Then it would be best to pop Viagra and watch porn (and self-stimulate super-super-super slightly and careful) for 72 hours, wouldn’t it?
The danger i guess is that you go cracy at some point and want to cum, and at that stage it's hard to be rational - and the danger of doing something super-stupid like stimulating just a bit too hard would be really really bad
Then it would be best to pop Viagra and watch porn (and self-stimulate super-super-super slightly and careful) for 72 hours, wouldn’t it?
The danger i guess is that you go cracy at some point and want to cum, and at that stage it's hard to be rational - and the danger of doing something super-stupid like stimulating just a bit too hard would be really really bad
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Big 10 vs 30% PMMA concentration Summary/Collection Thread
Hi there!
I searched the forum for ‚10%’, ‘16%’, 20%’ and ‘30%’ to find all relevant discussions about comparisons and opinions and stuff regarding different PMMA percentage.
I read all the threads of the search-result regarding 10% vs 30% and copied all the text I found relevant here.
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my story: (journal: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/planning-pmma-procedure-journal-dr-ivana-nemeckova-prague-8368135?pid=1294853418)
I want to go to Dr Nemeckova and her standard is 30%.
Not so informed impression before the summary: 30% seems to give more aesthetic issues and sometimes regarded as ‘too hard’ when you are soft.
There is one idea of ‘laying the groundwork’ of solid fundament with 30% and then go 10% in later rounds.
Question:
I was thinking the hardness of a penis when erect is very important and good. Meaning harder=better. Women told me they like hard penisses.
30% makes harder erect penis it seems. I guess this is good, just the fact that flaccid is also pretty hard is bad?
The flaccid should be soft – but flaccid penis state is not so important as erect-penis state I think. I guess flaccid penis state is important because of the 'being-found-out' factor?
Is this right: the ‘pmma-collagen’ part of the penis is the same ‘hardness’ (and also size), no matter if penis is erect or flaccid?
Onward to the collection
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for newbs: 10% means it’s 90% solution with 10% pmma beads, 30% means it’s 70% solution with 30% pmma beads. The solution later goes away, the pmma beads stay and get surrounded by collagen
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/comparing-gains-with-10-vs-30-concentrations-6364826?&trail=15
Briceb has great statistics post about gains in 10 vs 30%.
~40 people in excel spreadsheets.
Average increase per cc on 10%: 0.03
Average increase per cc on 30%: 0.04
-> so, that’s 25% more size increase with 30%
So I guess the 10% is more ‘efficient’ per pmma-bead – because if 30% would be as efficient per pmma-bead, then the increase per cc should be 3 times bigger (300%) on 30% than on 10%, but it seems to be only 25%
But this statistic is probably better, it looks at how much people’s girth increased in % compared to before the treatment – and then calculated per cc:
Average size increase percentage per cc on 10%: 0.63% (for every cc of 10% penis girth became 0,63% bigger)
Average size increase percentage per cc on 30%: 0.79% (for every cc of 10% penis girth became 0,79% bigger)
So starting at 9.5cm, girth with 15ml of 10% would calculate me to be 10.4cm
and with 30% it would calculate me to be 10.6cm. So that is not a big difference it seems.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/has-anyone-had-the-30-shaft-10-top-combo-6434509?pid=1278786851
Miravcle8x7: I'd go with 20%. I like the feel of it (not as soft as 10% but better gains) as it's more natural and less likely to form clumps, bumps or nodules. I've received all three concentrations.
They will titrate 20% based on you request. (in Tijuana) You need to tell them beforehand.
Dance with Dragons: I've had the 30-10 split twice, and I'm quite happy with my results. I have all three concentrations also. Last round was the 10/30 split, happy with results. I wouldnt put anything besides 10 by glands.
20% has to be mixed by the doctor, so there is just a tiny tiny sterilize risk there.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/10-vs-30-8143255?pid=1292595651
Dirt clod: I have had one round of each without any significant complications. I would recommend most people go for the 10%. It was much easier to manipulate and felt completely natural. The 30% moved like silly putty and could easlily cause problems during the aftercare which would give a poor result. If anything, my erections are more firm than they were before pmma.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/pmma-10-vs-20-vs-30-6140509?&trail=15
Mustang2020: the gains were dismal with 10% in my case. I had to go four time to get close to what I wanted. I believe had I got 30% in the first and 2nd round, I would surpass what I have now with four rounds. I think we have seen some super results with one round and with 30%. I think Big Ben has 30% and it looks the best as far as smoothness and symmetry, I m not talking about esthetics now, just the fact it looks even and not lumpy at all.
The only thing I noticed about the 10% is it was smoother to the touch, but the gains were dismal....
eqstudent: I went with 10% because that was more likely to create a more predictable and aesthetic result. The 30% and even the mixed 20% can sometimes leave ridges (like hard strands) from the rows of PMMA that is laid down by the injector. Those ridges can be felt if a partner runs their fingers across your penis.
HunkChunk: I've had 3 sessions, with either 10%, 20% and lately 30% and I really can't tell much of a difference in effect. If anything, I wonder if the higher concentration doesn't make your unit a touch more rigid, this is the comment I have gotten since the last session at 30%, saying it is "So Hard!". This wasn't a complaint, mind you, but it sort of puts your unit into a slightly less natural 'super dick' category...
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/10-vs-30-8111981?pid=1292268625
smalljay: I've had both 10cc and 30cc and honestly the 10cc did close to nothing as far as a size gain. Maybe I'm just too used to the effects of 30%. I've now had 3 rounds of 30%, going for a fourth and might get a fifth eventually. I like the harder feel of it (more like my original erection)
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I'd try sticking with a full round of 10% or 20% first - I got 30% and it tends to not behave well AKA it has a high chance of forming imperfections which may or may not be permanent. 20% might be a good start for you and you can aways bump up to 30% later if you want.
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/10-pmma-for-2nd-round-after-30-in-the-first-round-8203136?pid=1293054176
smalljay: Astro I would not recommend that - I'm one of the few people here who has had 3 full rounds of 30% and half my dick has turned rock hard after the 3rd round. Everything was fine for a couple of weeks after the procedure but now 4 months out shit is rock hard when flaccid. Def not cool. Had I known this effect I would have stuck with 10% all the way. My dick felt completely normal after 2 rounds of 30%. But third round made it rock hard. Same thing happened to Restoration.
I would heavily reconsider not doing that and going for 20% max, but 10% to be safe. Just get a lot of whichever you choose. Your call though, but just warning you. The number of men here who have had 3+ full rounds of all 30% is very few - a small handful maybe - and I've just given you two cases of it turning most or all of the flaccid penis rock hard.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/qs-for-those-who-have-multiple-pmma-sessions-with-different-concentrations-10-20-30-etc-8147534?pid=1292591601
Dexterphall: of the dozens of reviews I've ready , in general and there are caveats to this however - lower concentrations seem to deliver smoother results without complications and a more natural feel.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/20-or-30-for-round-2-6966297?pid=1283375216 07/01/14
Thewingman: I really wish there was a 40% or 50% option. After having had PMMA for over a year, of almost all 30% I have noticed a little bit of softening which to me feels less. Natural than right after I had the procedures done.
Acr18: I would go with 30 also. I had nodules where 10 was injected not 30. The 10 percent wasn't even noticeable for me and cause a ridge
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/pmma-10-20-30-5976525?pid=1274685344 08/19/12
hoddle10: I think there probably is a difference, but it will be much smaller than most of our members think in my opinion. When someone has poor gains with 10%, everyone puts it down to the fact it's only 10% concentration. But how come so many people also report disappointing gains with 20% or 30%? Only yesterday Willtravel posted about his small gains with 30%. In fact if you read all the Dr N threads, no one seems to be gaining anymore with 30%. Even Olafspo said that he couldn't really tell much difference after his first round. So if it was simply a case of higher concentration giving more gains, then how do our members explain the fact none of the recent Dr N patients have had bigger gains? My friend Mikehok traveled to Mexico with another member, LondonLad. Mike had 10%, whilst London had 20% and more CC's. Yet Mike gained more! Had it been the other way around, then I'm sure everyone would have blamed the 10% concentration.
I will say I have definitely noticed that higher concentrations give better gains for repeat procedures. Why this is, I don't know.
smartman: But imo 30% will give you more dense collagen but the gain in volume will be a bit more than the 10%. Only I would advise you (after pmma penile injection) after you reach near to the girth you want you should in the last 1-2 rounds (i.e. for touch-ups) get only 10% (not higher) and only in a small volume e.g. not more than 10cc.s
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-switch-to-10-pmma-5424847?pid=1269639225 08/05/11
smartman: It’s more about the number of sessions (+ long great explanation see the thread)
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-switch-to-10-pmma-5424847?&trail=30 08/08/11
coolhandluke: no quote: Labs around the world buy higher concentrations and the dilute it themselves, to save money. Hopefully these doctors don’t do it themselves, cause you need to be careful with that.
bigwheels3535: Just thought I would add that Wade has 5% pmma in his penis and 30% in his calves
Skeptical One: I had 10% done in my 2nd Round (20% in my 1st & 3rd) and really did not see much of a change at all (the base was not measured but appeared slightly thicker, the mid-shaft was measured with virtually no change in size). Although it was only 11cc's, I anticipated at least a measurable gain. I did see measurable gains after Rounds 1 & 3, both using 20%.
hoddle10: Beads need to be sufficently close together. 20cc of 10% would probably give the same gain as 20cc of 30% on a smaller penis. But on a bigger penis, 20 cc of 10% would probably give less as the beads will be spread too far apart, whilst 20cc of 30% the beads will stll be sufficiently close. Second session injections naturally cover a great surface area.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/lumps-post-10-20-and30-pmma-5595581?pid=1271170029 11/26/11
smartman: "justabitmore"said he felt that the result of the 20% is not as smooth as the 10% and I agree with him absolutely in this point.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/10-progress-reports-6202291?pid=1276833267 02/10/13
hoddle: Here is a list of our members that received 10% for round 1 and their results:
Pmmaalltheway 16cc – 0.6
Eqstudent 20cc – 0.75
Rondo 21cc – 0.4
JAM 19cc – 0.6
Edupd 15cc – 0.275
Zayne 20cc – 0.6
Mikehok 17cc – 0.5
Andy 20cc – 0.6
Austin Peter 15cc – 0.75
Cosminc 14cc – 0.75
Pr2005 18cc – 0.4
Bernardil 17cc – 0.5
Jacko 19cc – 0.75
Mustgetbigger – 20cc – 0.5
ZOL – 18cc – 0.5
CHL 19cc – 0.375
Imbignow 23cc – 0.2
The average gain of the 17 members above is 0.53"
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10% certainly seems to give terrible results for second rounds, but on a virgin penis, I don't think the gains are that bad at all. Obviously there are none of the 1" gains we've seen recently with 30%, but then again, very few of these guys had over 20cc's injected and most of the guys getting 30% seem to get about 25cc's.
I think in most cases, a single session of 10% PMMA wont give the gains most guys want. This is why I'm not really a fan of PMMA anymore. I just don't think it can produce the gains most want, whilst still offering a decent risk/reward ratio. It's just based on what I've read over the last couple of years. I liked PMMA as an alternative to the likes of Alloderm/Belloderm and FFT and still do. But it seems that most guys want greater gains than the old procedures were usually able to offer and thus a hell of a lot more PMMA is injected than what I'd personally be comfortable with.
Many of the guys who got 10% and were disappointed with their results were those going for a second round, after having 20% the first time. So they were essentially having half as much PMMA, to cover a greater surface area. Some guys reported virtually no gains at all. If you compare 2nd round 10% guys, with those posted above, I'd imagine there will be a big negative difference.
I think 1st round sessions will yield the most whatever is used, as the beads get encapsulated in collagen. But by the second round, part of the capsule is already in place.
Also, I should add, there does seem to be general trend of diminishing returns. I guess this is because the initial immune reaction is the most dramatic, therefore the difference is seen more in density than volume.
I think the key is to gain as much as possible, with as little PMMA as possible. If one insists on multiple rounds, I think it makes sense to start with 10% and then have each following round with 30%. Personally I'd not consider that, as I'd be scared to have so much injected.
Mustang2020: My first round of 10% was very disappointing. The following rounds I had 20% and 30%. I saw the biggest gains with 30% in my final full round. As reported earlier, the problem with 30% is the clumps that can occur. But with messaging and avoiding retraction, this can be minimized but not eliminated I guess.
If I am to do it all over again, I would go for maximum CC of 30%, stay in TJ for two days after the session and do nothing but keep the penis stretched and massaged with caials pills and with beautiful girl next to me to keep me erect/semi erect most of the time.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/measurablequalitative-diffs-bw-10-and-20-5760928?pid=1272742932 03/20/12
hoddle10: It seems to me that guys around the 4.5" girth mark can get just as good results with 10%, as 20%. But once the girth gets closer to 5" it seems the 10% isn't so effective. From what I've observed, I don't think 10% should be used for second session unless it'sn to smooth things out.
eqstudent:
I did a modest amount of research charting 20 members form the old and this board before making my decision. The data is clearly incomplete and therefore anecdotal but for that small sample size it appears that for first round the median appears to be ~.5” for 20cc of 10% and ~.75” for 20cc of 20% at the 6 week mark!
Wade confirmed that those numbers sounded right but cautioned that he saw large variability in individual outcomes.
IMO 20cc of 10% = 0.5” and 20cc of 20% = 0.75” are reasonable ballpark expectations at the 6 week mark for first round sessions.
Mustang2020: most guys did not get satisfactory results with 10% including me. If I am to do it all over again, I would request 20% for rnd 1 and 2 and then 10% for touch up in rnd 3. I got about .2" to .25" from the first rnd and about .4" to .45" from the 2nd rnd
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/has-anyone-has-10-pmma-only-and-had-issues-8232186?pid=1293304939 09/05/16
thebeast1: I had only 13ccs of 10% and have some major nodule issues. (see progress report)
enhancedone: I have a nodule the size of a pea after 2 weeks. It could have been retraction or pump use.
I thought with 10% one could minimize the risks but I was wrong.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/would-10-be-pointless-for-r1-on-4-25-girth-6820429?pid=1282076361 03/25/14
hoddle10: I'd rather be disappointed with a small gain yet live to fight another day as it were, than have a big gain but deformed penis. Personally I'm not at all convinced that round 1 problems can be corrected with a second round. Sometimes they can, but frequently we see guys going back for round after round trying to improve the aesthetics.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/my-pmma-journey-begins-6373789?&trail=15 06/05/13
hoddle: Insist on 10%. How many good results with 30% have you seen on uncircumcised guys? In fact how many have you seen with 20%?
briceb: I second hoodle. Go with 10%. You have a great starting point. Being a shower instead of a grower will work in your favor for an aesthetic outcome, too. I am going down in just over two weeks and a natural outcome is at the top of my list, too, so I am going with 10%.
SUMMARY / Comments:
Hm. It’s interesting. Also sometimes opinions change with time – eg smalljay had 2 good rounds with 30%, on the third it got rock hard in a way that he didn’t like.
30% first and 10% later seemed to me to be more logical than the other way round. Thinking: If 30% at first round gets bad I guess it can be corrected with 10% later? Breaking hard parts up with the canula at the next visit / filling up the bad spots with 10%.
The other option that I like is 10% all the way, and if I worry about gaining too few I can just another round of 10%.
Like, 10% seems more safer in getting an aestethically good result. And if you want bigger you just add more rounds. So on the whole it could be pricier, but it’s the penis, so..
I guess I will choose 10% all the way (+wait 6 months between sessions) just because I will have done ‘my part’ to help aesthetic result.
(also additional i have small penis some people say 10% is better there)
All comments welcome
I searched the forum for ‚10%’, ‘16%’, 20%’ and ‘30%’ to find all relevant discussions about comparisons and opinions and stuff regarding different PMMA percentage.
I read all the threads of the search-result regarding 10% vs 30% and copied all the text I found relevant here.
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my story: (journal: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/planning-pmma-procedure-journal-dr-ivana-nemeckova-prague-8368135?pid=1294853418)
I want to go to Dr Nemeckova and her standard is 30%.
Not so informed impression before the summary: 30% seems to give more aesthetic issues and sometimes regarded as ‘too hard’ when you are soft.
There is one idea of ‘laying the groundwork’ of solid fundament with 30% and then go 10% in later rounds.
Question:
I was thinking the hardness of a penis when erect is very important and good. Meaning harder=better. Women told me they like hard penisses.
30% makes harder erect penis it seems. I guess this is good, just the fact that flaccid is also pretty hard is bad?
The flaccid should be soft – but flaccid penis state is not so important as erect-penis state I think. I guess flaccid penis state is important because of the 'being-found-out' factor?
Is this right: the ‘pmma-collagen’ part of the penis is the same ‘hardness’ (and also size), no matter if penis is erect or flaccid?
Onward to the collection
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for newbs: 10% means it’s 90% solution with 10% pmma beads, 30% means it’s 70% solution with 30% pmma beads. The solution later goes away, the pmma beads stay and get surrounded by collagen
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/comparing-gains-with-10-vs-30-concentrations-6364826?&trail=15
Briceb has great statistics post about gains in 10 vs 30%.
~40 people in excel spreadsheets.
Average increase per cc on 10%: 0.03
Average increase per cc on 30%: 0.04
-> so, that’s 25% more size increase with 30%
So I guess the 10% is more ‘efficient’ per pmma-bead – because if 30% would be as efficient per pmma-bead, then the increase per cc should be 3 times bigger (300%) on 30% than on 10%, but it seems to be only 25%
But this statistic is probably better, it looks at how much people’s girth increased in % compared to before the treatment – and then calculated per cc:
Average size increase percentage per cc on 10%: 0.63% (for every cc of 10% penis girth became 0,63% bigger)
Average size increase percentage per cc on 30%: 0.79% (for every cc of 10% penis girth became 0,79% bigger)
So starting at 9.5cm, girth with 15ml of 10% would calculate me to be 10.4cm
and with 30% it would calculate me to be 10.6cm. So that is not a big difference it seems.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/has-anyone-had-the-30-shaft-10-top-combo-6434509?pid=1278786851
Miravcle8x7: I'd go with 20%. I like the feel of it (not as soft as 10% but better gains) as it's more natural and less likely to form clumps, bumps or nodules. I've received all three concentrations.
They will titrate 20% based on you request. (in Tijuana) You need to tell them beforehand.
Dance with Dragons: I've had the 30-10 split twice, and I'm quite happy with my results. I have all three concentrations also. Last round was the 10/30 split, happy with results. I wouldnt put anything besides 10 by glands.
20% has to be mixed by the doctor, so there is just a tiny tiny sterilize risk there.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/10-vs-30-8143255?pid=1292595651
Dirt clod: I have had one round of each without any significant complications. I would recommend most people go for the 10%. It was much easier to manipulate and felt completely natural. The 30% moved like silly putty and could easlily cause problems during the aftercare which would give a poor result. If anything, my erections are more firm than they were before pmma.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/pmma-10-vs-20-vs-30-6140509?&trail=15
Mustang2020: the gains were dismal with 10% in my case. I had to go four time to get close to what I wanted. I believe had I got 30% in the first and 2nd round, I would surpass what I have now with four rounds. I think we have seen some super results with one round and with 30%. I think Big Ben has 30% and it looks the best as far as smoothness and symmetry, I m not talking about esthetics now, just the fact it looks even and not lumpy at all.
The only thing I noticed about the 10% is it was smoother to the touch, but the gains were dismal....
eqstudent: I went with 10% because that was more likely to create a more predictable and aesthetic result. The 30% and even the mixed 20% can sometimes leave ridges (like hard strands) from the rows of PMMA that is laid down by the injector. Those ridges can be felt if a partner runs their fingers across your penis.
HunkChunk: I've had 3 sessions, with either 10%, 20% and lately 30% and I really can't tell much of a difference in effect. If anything, I wonder if the higher concentration doesn't make your unit a touch more rigid, this is the comment I have gotten since the last session at 30%, saying it is "So Hard!". This wasn't a complaint, mind you, but it sort of puts your unit into a slightly less natural 'super dick' category...
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/10-vs-30-8111981?pid=1292268625
smalljay: I've had both 10cc and 30cc and honestly the 10cc did close to nothing as far as a size gain. Maybe I'm just too used to the effects of 30%. I've now had 3 rounds of 30%, going for a fourth and might get a fifth eventually. I like the harder feel of it (more like my original erection)
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I'd try sticking with a full round of 10% or 20% first - I got 30% and it tends to not behave well AKA it has a high chance of forming imperfections which may or may not be permanent. 20% might be a good start for you and you can aways bump up to 30% later if you want.
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/10-pmma-for-2nd-round-after-30-in-the-first-round-8203136?pid=1293054176
smalljay: Astro I would not recommend that - I'm one of the few people here who has had 3 full rounds of 30% and half my dick has turned rock hard after the 3rd round. Everything was fine for a couple of weeks after the procedure but now 4 months out shit is rock hard when flaccid. Def not cool. Had I known this effect I would have stuck with 10% all the way. My dick felt completely normal after 2 rounds of 30%. But third round made it rock hard. Same thing happened to Restoration.
I would heavily reconsider not doing that and going for 20% max, but 10% to be safe. Just get a lot of whichever you choose. Your call though, but just warning you. The number of men here who have had 3+ full rounds of all 30% is very few - a small handful maybe - and I've just given you two cases of it turning most or all of the flaccid penis rock hard.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/qs-for-those-who-have-multiple-pmma-sessions-with-different-concentrations-10-20-30-etc-8147534?pid=1292591601
Dexterphall: of the dozens of reviews I've ready , in general and there are caveats to this however - lower concentrations seem to deliver smoother results without complications and a more natural feel.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/20-or-30-for-round-2-6966297?pid=1283375216 07/01/14
Thewingman: I really wish there was a 40% or 50% option. After having had PMMA for over a year, of almost all 30% I have noticed a little bit of softening which to me feels less. Natural than right after I had the procedures done.
Acr18: I would go with 30 also. I had nodules where 10 was injected not 30. The 10 percent wasn't even noticeable for me and cause a ridge
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/pmma-10-20-30-5976525?pid=1274685344 08/19/12
hoddle10: I think there probably is a difference, but it will be much smaller than most of our members think in my opinion. When someone has poor gains with 10%, everyone puts it down to the fact it's only 10% concentration. But how come so many people also report disappointing gains with 20% or 30%? Only yesterday Willtravel posted about his small gains with 30%. In fact if you read all the Dr N threads, no one seems to be gaining anymore with 30%. Even Olafspo said that he couldn't really tell much difference after his first round. So if it was simply a case of higher concentration giving more gains, then how do our members explain the fact none of the recent Dr N patients have had bigger gains? My friend Mikehok traveled to Mexico with another member, LondonLad. Mike had 10%, whilst London had 20% and more CC's. Yet Mike gained more! Had it been the other way around, then I'm sure everyone would have blamed the 10% concentration.
I will say I have definitely noticed that higher concentrations give better gains for repeat procedures. Why this is, I don't know.
smartman: But imo 30% will give you more dense collagen but the gain in volume will be a bit more than the 10%. Only I would advise you (after pmma penile injection) after you reach near to the girth you want you should in the last 1-2 rounds (i.e. for touch-ups) get only 10% (not higher) and only in a small volume e.g. not more than 10cc.s
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-switch-to-10-pmma-5424847?pid=1269639225 08/05/11
smartman: It’s more about the number of sessions (+ long great explanation see the thread)
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-switch-to-10-pmma-5424847?&trail=30 08/08/11
coolhandluke: no quote: Labs around the world buy higher concentrations and the dilute it themselves, to save money. Hopefully these doctors don’t do it themselves, cause you need to be careful with that.
bigwheels3535: Just thought I would add that Wade has 5% pmma in his penis and 30% in his calves
Skeptical One: I had 10% done in my 2nd Round (20% in my 1st & 3rd) and really did not see much of a change at all (the base was not measured but appeared slightly thicker, the mid-shaft was measured with virtually no change in size). Although it was only 11cc's, I anticipated at least a measurable gain. I did see measurable gains after Rounds 1 & 3, both using 20%.
hoddle10: Beads need to be sufficently close together. 20cc of 10% would probably give the same gain as 20cc of 30% on a smaller penis. But on a bigger penis, 20 cc of 10% would probably give less as the beads will be spread too far apart, whilst 20cc of 30% the beads will stll be sufficiently close. Second session injections naturally cover a great surface area.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/lumps-post-10-20-and30-pmma-5595581?pid=1271170029 11/26/11
smartman: "justabitmore"said he felt that the result of the 20% is not as smooth as the 10% and I agree with him absolutely in this point.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/10-progress-reports-6202291?pid=1276833267 02/10/13
hoddle: Here is a list of our members that received 10% for round 1 and their results:
Pmmaalltheway 16cc – 0.6
Eqstudent 20cc – 0.75
Rondo 21cc – 0.4
JAM 19cc – 0.6
Edupd 15cc – 0.275
Zayne 20cc – 0.6
Mikehok 17cc – 0.5
Andy 20cc – 0.6
Austin Peter 15cc – 0.75
Cosminc 14cc – 0.75
Pr2005 18cc – 0.4
Bernardil 17cc – 0.5
Jacko 19cc – 0.75
Mustgetbigger – 20cc – 0.5
ZOL – 18cc – 0.5
CHL 19cc – 0.375
Imbignow 23cc – 0.2
The average gain of the 17 members above is 0.53"
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10% certainly seems to give terrible results for second rounds, but on a virgin penis, I don't think the gains are that bad at all. Obviously there are none of the 1" gains we've seen recently with 30%, but then again, very few of these guys had over 20cc's injected and most of the guys getting 30% seem to get about 25cc's.
I think in most cases, a single session of 10% PMMA wont give the gains most guys want. This is why I'm not really a fan of PMMA anymore. I just don't think it can produce the gains most want, whilst still offering a decent risk/reward ratio. It's just based on what I've read over the last couple of years. I liked PMMA as an alternative to the likes of Alloderm/Belloderm and FFT and still do. But it seems that most guys want greater gains than the old procedures were usually able to offer and thus a hell of a lot more PMMA is injected than what I'd personally be comfortable with.
Many of the guys who got 10% and were disappointed with their results were those going for a second round, after having 20% the first time. So they were essentially having half as much PMMA, to cover a greater surface area. Some guys reported virtually no gains at all. If you compare 2nd round 10% guys, with those posted above, I'd imagine there will be a big negative difference.
I think 1st round sessions will yield the most whatever is used, as the beads get encapsulated in collagen. But by the second round, part of the capsule is already in place.
Also, I should add, there does seem to be general trend of diminishing returns. I guess this is because the initial immune reaction is the most dramatic, therefore the difference is seen more in density than volume.
I think the key is to gain as much as possible, with as little PMMA as possible. If one insists on multiple rounds, I think it makes sense to start with 10% and then have each following round with 30%. Personally I'd not consider that, as I'd be scared to have so much injected.
Mustang2020: My first round of 10% was very disappointing. The following rounds I had 20% and 30%. I saw the biggest gains with 30% in my final full round. As reported earlier, the problem with 30% is the clumps that can occur. But with messaging and avoiding retraction, this can be minimized but not eliminated I guess.
If I am to do it all over again, I would go for maximum CC of 30%, stay in TJ for two days after the session and do nothing but keep the penis stretched and massaged with caials pills and with beautiful girl next to me to keep me erect/semi erect most of the time.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/measurablequalitative-diffs-bw-10-and-20-5760928?pid=1272742932 03/20/12
hoddle10: It seems to me that guys around the 4.5" girth mark can get just as good results with 10%, as 20%. But once the girth gets closer to 5" it seems the 10% isn't so effective. From what I've observed, I don't think 10% should be used for second session unless it'sn to smooth things out.
eqstudent:
I did a modest amount of research charting 20 members form the old and this board before making my decision. The data is clearly incomplete and therefore anecdotal but for that small sample size it appears that for first round the median appears to be ~.5” for 20cc of 10% and ~.75” for 20cc of 20% at the 6 week mark!
Wade confirmed that those numbers sounded right but cautioned that he saw large variability in individual outcomes.
IMO 20cc of 10% = 0.5” and 20cc of 20% = 0.75” are reasonable ballpark expectations at the 6 week mark for first round sessions.
Mustang2020: most guys did not get satisfactory results with 10% including me. If I am to do it all over again, I would request 20% for rnd 1 and 2 and then 10% for touch up in rnd 3. I got about .2" to .25" from the first rnd and about .4" to .45" from the 2nd rnd
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/has-anyone-has-10-pmma-only-and-had-issues-8232186?pid=1293304939 09/05/16
thebeast1: I had only 13ccs of 10% and have some major nodule issues. (see progress report)
enhancedone: I have a nodule the size of a pea after 2 weeks. It could have been retraction or pump use.
I thought with 10% one could minimize the risks but I was wrong.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/would-10-be-pointless-for-r1-on-4-25-girth-6820429?pid=1282076361 03/25/14
hoddle10: I'd rather be disappointed with a small gain yet live to fight another day as it were, than have a big gain but deformed penis. Personally I'm not at all convinced that round 1 problems can be corrected with a second round. Sometimes they can, but frequently we see guys going back for round after round trying to improve the aesthetics.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/my-pmma-journey-begins-6373789?&trail=15 06/05/13
hoddle: Insist on 10%. How many good results with 30% have you seen on uncircumcised guys? In fact how many have you seen with 20%?
briceb: I second hoodle. Go with 10%. You have a great starting point. Being a shower instead of a grower will work in your favor for an aesthetic outcome, too. I am going down in just over two weeks and a natural outcome is at the top of my list, too, so I am going with 10%.
SUMMARY / Comments:
Hm. It’s interesting. Also sometimes opinions change with time – eg smalljay had 2 good rounds with 30%, on the third it got rock hard in a way that he didn’t like.
30% first and 10% later seemed to me to be more logical than the other way round. Thinking: If 30% at first round gets bad I guess it can be corrected with 10% later? Breaking hard parts up with the canula at the next visit / filling up the bad spots with 10%.
The other option that I like is 10% all the way, and if I worry about gaining too few I can just another round of 10%.
Like, 10% seems more safer in getting an aestethically good result. And if you want bigger you just add more rounds. So on the whole it could be pricier, but it’s the penis, so..
I guess I will choose 10% all the way (+wait 6 months between sessions) just because I will have done ‘my part’ to help aesthetic result.
(also additional i have small penis some people say 10% is better there)
All comments welcome
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Collagen in PMMA Aftercare - Collection/Summary Thread
Hi there!
So... the pmma beads are surrounded by collagen the body produces, and the result is a fatter penis.
Of course people had the idea of 'helping the body make that collagen faster'.
I am into researching right now because am thinking about getting PMMA (journal: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/planning-pmma-procedure-journal-dr-ivana-nemeckova-prague-8368135?pid=1294881059),
so i am already thinking about aftercare (thread 'perfect aftercare for pmma' here: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-perfect-pmma-aftercare-8382459?pid=1294875130)
So, collagen.
(spoiler alert: probably forget step 1 and 2, step 3 is only important one)
Step 1 was googling 'how to raise collagen'
And basically everything is about the skin, women worry about that
In the skin more collagen is good,
and for collagen:
Smoking is bad, Sugar is bad (http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/beauty-hair/tips/a35836/easy-ways-to-boost-collagen/)
Drinking enough water is good
http://blog.candylipz.com/best-ways-to-boost-collagen-production-in-your-body/
Through nutrition, what helps:
1. Bone Broth
(how to make: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=255&v=EV1Xa-0bGlc)
2.
Also Garlic, Berries, omega 3
So i guess eating daily bone broth would be a good way
Meaty bones (knee, shoulder, feet, knuckle bones, feet) (i don't know where to buy this, i need to got to a real buther i guess),
(optional i guess 20min in the oven hot), then 24-72h slowcook in water
On the other hand sounds like a lot of work
Step 2 was googling Supplements
I want to go that route, i don't want to change my whole lifestyle, i just want to pop the pills and be ok with it Image may be NSFW.
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So i looked at examine.com, *the* source for scientific summaries of supplements, and typed in collagen
https://examine.com/supplements/glucosamine/
Glucosamine:
"Studies show that supplementing glucosamine sulfate will reduce the rate of collagen (joint tissue) degradation and symptoms of osteoarthritis"
It reduces collagen degradation, i don't know if this helps anything, cause in the penis it would just be about building up.
https://examine.com/supplements/methylsulfonylmethane/
Methylsulfonylmethane:
"is a small sulfur containing molecule related to DSMO which is used for its antioxidative and antiinflammatory properties. It holds potential for joint health (not significantly different than glucosamine sulfate)."
"Methylsulfonylmethane might just simply be a way to negate a sulfur deficiency, and secondary to the improvements in collagen synthesis and oxidant defense (glutathione enzymes) it exerts benefits."
https://examine.com/supplements/type-ii-collagen/
Collagen
"Collagen supplements are taken in one of two different forms, either in the form of hydrolyzed collagen or in the form of an undenatured type II collagen; both forms have different dosing strategies and while their benefits may share some similarities can be considered two different supplements.
http://collagencomplete.com/increase-collagen-production/
Hm.
I guess one could go cracy over this.
How long is this collagen-building phase? Starting from the pmma procedure and ending.. after 6 months? Read once that after 6 months the gains should have been stabilized.
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/collagen-growth-5787519?pid=1272992772 04/07/12
Miracle8x7:
According to the site on Metacril, collagen deposition begins in the 2nd week and persists up to 8 weeks. Everyone will respond differently.
Step 3 was reading all the threads here that have 'collagen' in the title
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/pmmagt-the-endstage-of-collagen-gain-5567088?pid=1270932341 11/07/11
Dr Lemperle:
"Unfortunately, there is no way to increase collagen production - as there is no way to speed up wound healing by stimulating certain fibroblast.
My comment:
Ooook - i can imagine that collagen is no limiting factor and collagen supplements don't help the process - like they also don't help heal wounds faster. In this logic the supplements and stuff would only help if your body wants to produce more collagen than you are able to produce. But we are not starving kids in africa, we are well-fed westerners, so this doesn't happen at all i guess.
I am not 100% sure on the whole thing and will go with some supplements just to be sure i guess.
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/increasing-collagen-5799209?pid=1273104621 04/17/12eqstudent:
Not sure what you are trying to accomplish but it is important to remember that collagen synthesis around a PMMA implant is part of the foreign body reaction. That local region is already soaked in IGF-1 and other anabolic molecules. It is likey neither possible nor even beneficial to try to increase collagen synthesis in a FBR/wound healing environment.
Miracle8x7:
Unless of course your liver doesn't receive adequate amounts of HGH to convert to insulin growth factor to do the job as proficiently as it did when you were younger. Aging is in part the body's inability to repair itself at the same rate it incurs damage. Anyone over the age of 30 will likely benefit from HGH whether bioidentical HGH or natural HGH via use of secretagogues and will note a marked difference in collagen deposition even as a foreign body reaction. HGH is in part also why children don't scar as badly as adults do, why they heal faster, have nicer skin, hair, nails, etc. IGF-1, (a protein) repairs damage. Without youthful levels of HGH, you're not producing enough IGF-1. It is INDEED possible to increase collagen deposition in a foreign body reaction and likely BENEFICIAL in our case (though clearly only in older individuals or individuals whose systems are somehow compromised).
eqstudent:
As far as biomaterial encapsulation and wound healing: PDGF, TGF-alpha and beta along with bFGF and IL6 are much more important than the IGF1 pathways that are mediated by HGH. I did my Masters Thesis in this field. If you get a cut, splinter, external infection from a parasite, or implantation of PMMA beads the foreign body reaction (FBR) response springs into effect without any involvement of the HGH pathways. The HGH pathways are not even triggered!
The HGH pathways are systemic, the FBR are local. Just because you have a PMMA beads in your dick does not require increased collagen production in your entire body, you just need those beads encapsulated.
Mustang2020:
So is there any way to improve collagen build up around PMMA in the penis, if one is over 40 years old? or is Vitamin C of 1000 mg daily is a good alternative?
Eqstudent:
Collagen encapsulation of the PMMA beads is part of the immune response pathways not the normal growth/tissue remodel mechanisms so immune boosters may be a more logical place to look. There may be downside to any such approach; it may turn the FBR response into a FBG response. There have been papers which show that immune enhancement therapy have triggered granulomas in patients with PMMA implants!
The only thing that helps wound healing is Human Growth Hormone and Steroids -> and if this helps anything for final growth of penis is also unlikely.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/collagen-growth-5424552?pid=1269636445
08/04/11
Zmann: As far as stimulating collagen growth Equipoise is supposed to stimulate collagen production by around 300%
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/steroids-protein-synthesis-and-collagen-synthesis-5979981?pid=1274714772
08/21/12
Irishfan: Some roids will be bad for collagen. But
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn.
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures.
Miracle8x7:
Increasing collagen synthesis through anabolic/androgenic AAS's will not increase your gains from PMMA. Gains are a result of the body's natural immune response to a foreign body. This has already been covered.
Steroids are not going to increase your gains! They will likely be the same regardless of steroids.
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/peptides-that-increase-collagen-deposition-5883348?pid=1273880038
Trying:
Product Name: Matrixl: In clinical studies, Matrixyl was shown to: - Increase overall collagen synthesis by up to 117% - Increase collagen IV synthesis by up to 327% - Increase hyaluronic acid synthesis by up to 267%
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/collagen-supplements-7476573?pid=1287687065
06/19/15
coolhandluke:
Collagen supplements don't work in this hobby, do you want expensive urine, buy some vitamin C, its out of your system with under an hour. As long on your maintain good hygiene, restful sleep, your HGH levels should be optimal, keep stress levels down with moderate exercise, and do not smoke. The whole collagen debate is more of a uncontrolled reaction your body takes in response to this foreign material being injected inside you. Its not some miracle phenomenon where you can build collagen like you build muscle mass, you're gravely mistaken if thats your goal. Human physiology (biology) doesn't behave like that. And those 12 o'clock 5 minute info commercials trying to sell women collagen anti wrinkle cream, is all pseudo science, if something worked, legitimately worked, Dr. Casavantes would have been prescribing it to all his past present and future pmma patients. I was an ignorant patient like yourself at some point, but I put this conversation to rest after I took some upper division physiology/immunology coursework and there isn't an advanced science that could give you a collagen growth edge, there might be some in vitro studies, but like i said, any suggestions any person makes to you are guesses on what pills to take. Talk to the Doctor about this question, and he'll agree with me.
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My comment:
I guess i will not use supplements because of the underlined explanations of step 3.
So... the pmma beads are surrounded by collagen the body produces, and the result is a fatter penis.
Of course people had the idea of 'helping the body make that collagen faster'.
I am into researching right now because am thinking about getting PMMA (journal: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/planning-pmma-procedure-journal-dr-ivana-nemeckova-prague-8368135?pid=1294881059),
so i am already thinking about aftercare (thread 'perfect aftercare for pmma' here: http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-perfect-pmma-aftercare-8382459?pid=1294875130)
So, collagen.
(spoiler alert: probably forget step 1 and 2, step 3 is only important one)
Step 1 was googling 'how to raise collagen'
And basically everything is about the skin, women worry about that
In the skin more collagen is good,
and for collagen:
Smoking is bad, Sugar is bad (http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/beauty-hair/tips/a35836/easy-ways-to-boost-collagen/)
Drinking enough water is good
http://blog.candylipz.com/best-ways-to-boost-collagen-production-in-your-body/
Through nutrition, what helps:
1. Bone Broth
(how to make: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=255&v=EV1Xa-0bGlc)
2.
| Vitamin A | Sweet Potatoes, Carrots, Iceberg Lettuce, Cod Liver Oil, Liver, Whole Milk |
| Vitamin C | Papayas, Bell Peppers, Oranges (Citrus Fruits), Kiwi |
| Vitamin E | Sun Flower Seeds, Almonds, Peanuts, Avocado |
| Fats | Omega-3 Fatty Acid |
| Sulfur Rich Foods | Cabbage, Cucumber, Celery, Turnips, Kale, Broccoli, Daikon, Radishes, Watercress, Mustard Greens, Swiss Chard, and Asparagus |
| Superfoods | Aloe Vera Juice, Tofu |
Also Garlic, Berries, omega 3
So i guess eating daily bone broth would be a good way
Meaty bones (knee, shoulder, feet, knuckle bones, feet) (i don't know where to buy this, i need to got to a real buther i guess),
(optional i guess 20min in the oven hot), then 24-72h slowcook in water
On the other hand sounds like a lot of work
Step 2 was googling Supplements
I want to go that route, i don't want to change my whole lifestyle, i just want to pop the pills and be ok with it Image may be NSFW.
Clik here to view.
So i looked at examine.com, *the* source for scientific summaries of supplements, and typed in collagen
https://examine.com/supplements/glucosamine/
Glucosamine:
"Studies show that supplementing glucosamine sulfate will reduce the rate of collagen (joint tissue) degradation and symptoms of osteoarthritis"
It reduces collagen degradation, i don't know if this helps anything, cause in the penis it would just be about building up.
https://examine.com/supplements/methylsulfonylmethane/
Methylsulfonylmethane:
"is a small sulfur containing molecule related to DSMO which is used for its antioxidative and antiinflammatory properties. It holds potential for joint health (not significantly different than glucosamine sulfate)."
"Methylsulfonylmethane might just simply be a way to negate a sulfur deficiency, and secondary to the improvements in collagen synthesis and oxidant defense (glutathione enzymes) it exerts benefits."
https://examine.com/supplements/type-ii-collagen/
Collagen
"Collagen supplements are taken in one of two different forms, either in the form of hydrolyzed collagen or in the form of an undenatured type II collagen; both forms have different dosing strategies and while their benefits may share some similarities can be considered two different supplements.
Hydrolyzed collagen is taken in doses of around 10g a day for skin health and some benefits to joints, and can be taken with meals. It should not be taken in higher doses as a protein supplement (for muscle gain and fat loss) due to having less efficacy than other protein sources and a lacklustre amino acid profile.
Undenatured collagen is taken at a lower dose of approximately 40mg once daily for the treatment of osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis when there is an autoimmune component to it, and while it doesn't need to be taken at any particular time of the day it may be ideal to take it on an empty stomach before breakfast."
Otheres: Hyaluronic Acid, Vitamin C, L-Lysine, L-Prolinehttp://collagencomplete.com/increase-collagen-production/
Hm.
I guess one could go cracy over this.
How long is this collagen-building phase? Starting from the pmma procedure and ending.. after 6 months? Read once that after 6 months the gains should have been stabilized.
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/collagen-growth-5787519?pid=1272992772 04/07/12
Miracle8x7:
According to the site on Metacril, collagen deposition begins in the 2nd week and persists up to 8 weeks. Everyone will respond differently.
Step 3 was reading all the threads here that have 'collagen' in the title
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/pmmagt-the-endstage-of-collagen-gain-5567088?pid=1270932341 11/07/11
Dr Lemperle:
"Unfortunately, there is no way to increase collagen production - as there is no way to speed up wound healing by stimulating certain fibroblast.
The problem with loosing volume of the injected PMMA is the following: Directly after injection, e.g. within the first few days, all cellulose carrier will be absorbed and the body brings in fibrin first, which covers all PMMA. The total injected volume fades to about half !
During the second week to about 3 months, macrophages, giant cells, and fibroblasts invade the PMMA and form a granulation tissue - which has a greater volume then the lasting volume after about 6 months, when most macrophages left, the swelling disappears, and the left over macrophages and fibroblast form a lasting and remaining volume... after 6 month."
My comment:
Ooook - i can imagine that collagen is no limiting factor and collagen supplements don't help the process - like they also don't help heal wounds faster. In this logic the supplements and stuff would only help if your body wants to produce more collagen than you are able to produce. But we are not starving kids in africa, we are well-fed westerners, so this doesn't happen at all i guess.
I am not 100% sure on the whole thing and will go with some supplements just to be sure i guess.
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/increasing-collagen-5799209?pid=1273104621 04/17/12eqstudent:
Not sure what you are trying to accomplish but it is important to remember that collagen synthesis around a PMMA implant is part of the foreign body reaction. That local region is already soaked in IGF-1 and other anabolic molecules. It is likey neither possible nor even beneficial to try to increase collagen synthesis in a FBR/wound healing environment.
Miracle8x7:
Unless of course your liver doesn't receive adequate amounts of HGH to convert to insulin growth factor to do the job as proficiently as it did when you were younger. Aging is in part the body's inability to repair itself at the same rate it incurs damage. Anyone over the age of 30 will likely benefit from HGH whether bioidentical HGH or natural HGH via use of secretagogues and will note a marked difference in collagen deposition even as a foreign body reaction. HGH is in part also why children don't scar as badly as adults do, why they heal faster, have nicer skin, hair, nails, etc. IGF-1, (a protein) repairs damage. Without youthful levels of HGH, you're not producing enough IGF-1. It is INDEED possible to increase collagen deposition in a foreign body reaction and likely BENEFICIAL in our case (though clearly only in older individuals or individuals whose systems are somehow compromised).
eqstudent:
As far as biomaterial encapsulation and wound healing: PDGF, TGF-alpha and beta along with bFGF and IL6 are much more important than the IGF1 pathways that are mediated by HGH. I did my Masters Thesis in this field. If you get a cut, splinter, external infection from a parasite, or implantation of PMMA beads the foreign body reaction (FBR) response springs into effect without any involvement of the HGH pathways. The HGH pathways are not even triggered!
The HGH pathways are systemic, the FBR are local. Just because you have a PMMA beads in your dick does not require increased collagen production in your entire body, you just need those beads encapsulated.
Mustang2020:
So is there any way to improve collagen build up around PMMA in the penis, if one is over 40 years old? or is Vitamin C of 1000 mg daily is a good alternative?
Eqstudent:
Collagen encapsulation of the PMMA beads is part of the immune response pathways not the normal growth/tissue remodel mechanisms so immune boosters may be a more logical place to look. There may be downside to any such approach; it may turn the FBR response into a FBG response. There have been papers which show that immune enhancement therapy have triggered granulomas in patients with PMMA implants!
In the end if one is healthy without any deficiencies I suspect there is no way to tell the system “deposit more collagen around the beads”. You are going to get what your genetics dictates.
I would think good nutrition, high intensity exercise and 1.5 to 2 g protein per Kg body weight will help. Anabolic steroids may also help.
Check out this wound healing paper.
Miracle8x7:
Both JustABitMore and swampman are taking recombinant HGH and there results have been superior to the average patient. Whether localized or systemic, the healthier you are, the better you heal. No one is going to argue with that. HGH was demonstrated in clinical trials to greatly improve wound healing. I DO believe collagen deposition volume is primarily based on genetic predisposition and current state of health.
eqstudent:
From the paper on woundhealing: "A 50% increase in wound collagen as well as a doubling of tensile strength was noted at 3 weeks with oxandrolone. Histology also revealed more densely packed collagen with more fibroblasts and mononuclear cells." -> this is a steroid
eqstudent:
I have gotten PMs and chats on this topic so I want to clarify a couple of key points in 1 place.
There is a misconception that has been created on this site that there is a collagen deposition event that occurs a week or so after implantation of PMMA. This has led members to look for external ways to increase collagen production hoping to get a bigger size increase from the procedure.
The reality is far more complex than the CW on this site. The FBR starts within hours of implantation of the PMMA beads and lasts for the lifetime that those beads are in your body. Over that time collagen along with other ECM elements will be deposited and destroyed over and over again. The collagen that is deposited will not be the same 6 months later and so on.
Medical device companies have been searching for decades to change this process with almost no success.
I am not suggesting or recommending that anyone take anabolic steroids in an effort to get a bigger size increase from their PMMA procedure. There is absolutely no evidence that anabolic steroids or any other external factor would increase the size gains from a PMMA procedure.
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My comment:
Ok, this is a great discussion.
The only thing that helps wound healing is Human Growth Hormone and Steroids -> and if this helps anything for final growth of penis is also unlikely.
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http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/collagen-growth-5424552?pid=1269636445
08/04/11
Zmann: As far as stimulating collagen growth Equipoise is supposed to stimulate collagen production by around 300%
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/steroids-protein-synthesis-and-collagen-synthesis-5979981?pid=1274714772
08/21/12
Irishfan: Some roids will be bad for collagen. But
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn.
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures.
Miracle8x7:
Increasing collagen synthesis through anabolic/androgenic AAS's will not increase your gains from PMMA. Gains are a result of the body's natural immune response to a foreign body. This has already been covered.
Steroids are not going to increase your gains! They will likely be the same regardless of steroids.
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/peptides-that-increase-collagen-deposition-5883348?pid=1273880038
Trying:
Product Name: Matrixl: In clinical studies, Matrixyl was shown to: - Increase overall collagen synthesis by up to 117% - Increase collagen IV synthesis by up to 327% - Increase hyaluronic acid synthesis by up to 267%
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/collagen-supplements-7476573?pid=1287687065
06/19/15
coolhandluke:
Collagen supplements don't work in this hobby, do you want expensive urine, buy some vitamin C, its out of your system with under an hour. As long on your maintain good hygiene, restful sleep, your HGH levels should be optimal, keep stress levels down with moderate exercise, and do not smoke. The whole collagen debate is more of a uncontrolled reaction your body takes in response to this foreign material being injected inside you. Its not some miracle phenomenon where you can build collagen like you build muscle mass, you're gravely mistaken if thats your goal. Human physiology (biology) doesn't behave like that. And those 12 o'clock 5 minute info commercials trying to sell women collagen anti wrinkle cream, is all pseudo science, if something worked, legitimately worked, Dr. Casavantes would have been prescribing it to all his past present and future pmma patients. I was an ignorant patient like yourself at some point, but I put this conversation to rest after I took some upper division physiology/immunology coursework and there isn't an advanced science that could give you a collagen growth edge, there might be some in vitro studies, but like i said, any suggestions any person makes to you are guesses on what pills to take. Talk to the Doctor about this question, and he'll agree with me.
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My comment:
I guess i will not use supplements because of the underlined explanations of step 3.
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Lockeroom Monster
Just a thought and discussion been having.
Ignoring cutting of ligaments, and just looking at injections.
What do people think would give you that locker room monster most. As in the ability to achieve it. PMMA? Silicon? Temp Cosmetic Filler?
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Useful took for determing how big you are comparative to others
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Renuva Fat Matrix
I follow Jason Emer on Instagram and he just posted a product that is new on the market called Renuva fat matrix.
Apparently where ever it is injected the body will grow it's own fat cells around it and it's permanent. I know the whole fft has been a miss but this could be promising . Jason Emer also has been experimenting with penis girth enlargement.
Does anyone know more about this product? This could be great for scrotal enhancement and even penis girth for people who don't want a huge increase. Just thought I'd share it on here.
It's fairly new but there are a couple videos on YouTube explaining the procedure.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=etpC1E25U10
Apparently where ever it is injected the body will grow it's own fat cells around it and it's permanent. I know the whole fft has been a miss but this could be promising . Jason Emer also has been experimenting with penis girth enlargement.
Does anyone know more about this product? This could be great for scrotal enhancement and even penis girth for people who don't want a huge increase. Just thought I'd share it on here.
It's fairly new but there are a couple videos on YouTube explaining the procedure.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=etpC1E25U10
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Does the head count as girth?
My unit is shaped like a baseball bat. Thinner at the base then the head is kinda thick. It's tough to measure glans (not sure if I go around the rim or what) but I barely fit in a toilet paper roll and if I jelq, Kegel and edge my head is too wide to fit. So my question is this - does the head count as girth? Will women still feel stretched out or does that mainly come from a thicker shaft with the base being the widest point? I have gotten compliments on the "ridge" of my head hitting the g spot , but I doubt it has that effect if you have a condom on. Thoughts?
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One round of 10% pmma changed my life
If you've been sitting around like I was for over 3 years just looking at this forum and making up excuses as to why you can't go, why it's risky, the unknown, blah blah bullshit blah...go down to TJ and get this shit done. Were all gonna be dead soon. Nobody will remember you, or I, or anything. We'll be rotten in the ground before you know it.
IF AND IF YOU DO HAVE COMPLICATIONS, you are own your own. So be prepared for that. Nobody else cares about your dick but you. Not Dr. C, not Wade, not anybody. That is the honest truth and I don't care what anybody says. But the juice was VERY worth the squeeze for me and I couldn't be happier.
Be smart, be safe, don't fuck around with 30% and don't try to gain more than an inch. .5-.75 is realistic without pushing the boundaires too far. Stop being a sick delusional fuck because some bitch who's sucked 6 miles of dick told you she's seen bigger. Of course she has. Do this for yourself and nobody else.
IF AND IF YOU DO HAVE COMPLICATIONS, you are own your own. So be prepared for that. Nobody else cares about your dick but you. Not Dr. C, not Wade, not anybody. That is the honest truth and I don't care what anybody says. But the juice was VERY worth the squeeze for me and I couldn't be happier.
Be smart, be safe, don't fuck around with 30% and don't try to gain more than an inch. .5-.75 is realistic without pushing the boundaires too far. Stop being a sick delusional fuck because some bitch who's sucked 6 miles of dick told you she's seen bigger. Of course she has. Do this for yourself and nobody else.
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Suspensory ligament cut - Ligamentolysis
Hello guys, i am new to this forum, maybe you who have done this procedure can share you resultas affter operation and post off months of stretching routines. Thank you
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I finally told my family my whole PE history, they have been incredibly supportive..
Image may be NSFW.
Clik here to view.![fmly.jpg]()
It still chokes me up a bit.
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It still chokes me up a bit.
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Girth advice
Hi everyone,
I'm fairly new here but have been loking at various methods for some time. I was wondering what would be the safest but best return on investment in terms of surgery to gain girth.
I appreciate and value your comments.
Please keep in mind that I am in Canada in the Toronto area.
Chuck
I'm fairly new here but have been loking at various methods for some time. I was wondering what would be the safest but best return on investment in terms of surgery to gain girth.
I appreciate and value your comments.
Please keep in mind that I am in Canada in the Toronto area.
Chuck
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The Best Threads of The Forum - a Link-Collection
Hi there!
'All the knowledge is already here on this board' it says. So the information is already here, but finding it is harder. When you are a newb and first come on this forum i think there is no clear beginning, no clear end, no structure. The advice is just 'read read read read' and start anywhere you like.
So there could be some help in finding the information. I was thinking something that is just a little bit better than 'start reading anywhere you want' (eg other Threads from newbies that ask questions that have been answered 100x) would be starting a Collection of the more helpful Threads as another option to point towards.
Just add Links to Threads you find worthy and add them here.
Bonus if it's in the same format as here, that just looks nice
- "Newbie attempt at Summary of this Forum"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/newbie-attempt-at-summary-of-this-forum-8367939?pid=1294425340
- "The Big PMMA Summary of Results Thread"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-big-pmma-summary-of-results-thread-8417409?pid=1294882941
- "Big 10 vs 30% PMMA concentration Summary/Collection Thread"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/big-10-vs-30-pmma-concentration-summarycollection-thread-8420198?pid=1294922077
- "The perfect PMMA aftercare"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-perfect-pmma-aftercare-8382459?pid=1294930374
- "Infections, Complications, Risks of PMMA?"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/infections-complications-risks-of-pmma-5395825?pid=1290517832
- "Scientific PMMA Study"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/this-months-journal-of-sexual-medicine-pmma-8244624?pid=1294859988
'All the knowledge is already here on this board' it says. So the information is already here, but finding it is harder. When you are a newb and first come on this forum i think there is no clear beginning, no clear end, no structure. The advice is just 'read read read read' and start anywhere you like.
So there could be some help in finding the information. I was thinking something that is just a little bit better than 'start reading anywhere you want' (eg other Threads from newbies that ask questions that have been answered 100x) would be starting a Collection of the more helpful Threads as another option to point towards.
Just add Links to Threads you find worthy and add them here.
Bonus if it's in the same format as here, that just looks nice
- "Newbie attempt at Summary of this Forum"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/newbie-attempt-at-summary-of-this-forum-8367939?pid=1294425340
- "The Big PMMA Summary of Results Thread"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-big-pmma-summary-of-results-thread-8417409?pid=1294882941
- "Big 10 vs 30% PMMA concentration Summary/Collection Thread"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/big-10-vs-30-pmma-concentration-summarycollection-thread-8420198?pid=1294922077
- "The perfect PMMA aftercare"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-perfect-pmma-aftercare-8382459?pid=1294930374
- "Infections, Complications, Risks of PMMA?"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/infections-complications-risks-of-pmma-5395825?pid=1290517832
- "Scientific PMMA Study"
http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/this-months-journal-of-sexual-medicine-pmma-8244624?pid=1294859988
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